1 suspect was his estranged girlfriend, Shirley Turner, also a medical doctor, who was raised in western Newfoundland and was then practicing in Iowa. It turns out Shirley Jane Turner is pregnant. December 4, 2008: You will hurt and this film will sit with you for days, weeks, months. There are things to do, he said, and they try to enjoy life as much as possible. But it will also introduce you to some of the most inspiring, strong and caring people ever to grace the big screen."" Kate & David Bagby will now be called as witnesses before the committee, the bill will be revised and strengthened, and eventually brought back into the House and Senate for a vote. On Nov. 5, Kate, who is originally from England, pictures Turner sitting on top of a Guy Fawkes bonfire and her family all around it with fireworks. A court mandate allowed David and Kate Bagby to spend time, with their grandson, babysitting, even sharing in joint activities with. KATE: It was shocking, but not a surprise. Previously, Kate was a Founder & Executive Director at Read More Kate Bagby's Phone Number and Email Last Update 11/14/2022 10:26 AM Email k***@mothersagainstmurder.org Engage via Email Contact Number (***) ***-**** Engage via Phone Mobile Number MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. Right? The Bagbys went to the morgue to identify their bodies. flying; Canadian flag flying; Supreme Court of Newfoundland building exterior; photos of Shirley; court document; university building; man talking to, reporters; court documents; Kate and David). (Supreme Court building; Shirley being escorted from court; photos of Kate and. Click HERE for ticket information. thoughts, his wife sees something that rocks her to the core. After Zacharys death, the Bagbys began a quest to have Canadas bail laws changed. It also recently screened at the Calgary International Film Festival and the Edmonton International Film Festival to standing ovations from Canadian audiences, where it inspired many audience members to write their Parliament in support of bail reform. report that concluded the child protection system failed Zachary Turner. MORRISON: Andrew's body was discovered the following morning with bullets lodged in his face, buttock, chest, the back of his head. Kate went to the floor, and I kicked the door and--oh, we, just--just like with Andrew, there's nothing you can do. A huge chunk of the remainder of Dear Zachary is the Canadian justice system treating the Bagbys like common criminals while the actual criminal is given a breathtaking amount of freedom. Did anyone have more friends than he? get in there, if that's what she demanded. This is how Kuenne represents his emotion at hearing the news that the woman who killed his friend had also killed his friends son. In 2006, the press was there again to cover the issuance of a report on the death of, (Newspaper article; David on TV show being interviewed; Confederation, Unidentified Reporter: (Newscast) The government has received a scathing. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. Mr. KUENNE: He liked playing bad guys a lot. They told us that they'd found the body. I don't know how else to say it except they are grown-ups: they are funny, but serious; playful, but organized. MORRISON: After you found out about Andrew's death, the impulse just ended. It also recently won Best Documentary at the Orlando Film Festival and the Audience Award at the St. Louis International Film Festival. It's said there's nothing worse than the death of your child, and this film drives that point home harder and with the utmost care and precision." But that didn't erase their unease, or a remarkable feeling, (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; David), Mr. BAGBY: I considered killing her myself, seriously considered it. Such choices make for a disorienting viewing experience, especially if youre accustomed to the conventions of slicker documentaries. Former Production Manager at Mountain Gospel Radio. Mr. SHEARS: You could see in his eyes that he was full of life. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm interested in the gun. And in that time, the Canadian justice system does nothing. MP Andrews was inspired to create Bill C-464 after seeing Dear Zachary for the first time in March; he and Senator Tommy Banks distributed DVDs of Dear Zachary to every member of the House of Commons for their review immediately following the December 4th discussion. This report aired Dateline Friday, July 23. You are born, you grow up, you make friends, you get a job, a partner, a house, maybe a car, maybe a kid, maybe more. Based on the title alone, it sounds like one of those saccharine documentaries that only the filmmaker and the subject would ever really care about. And not just because its real. Thought that maybe he had found somebody that he could really be happy with. MORRISON: What was it like to hear that she was going to get out of prison? IMDbPro Starmeter. I thought if I do that, I go to prison, maybe Kate. Mr. BAGBY: By this time we're pretty damn sure she's complete. And so, on August 18, 2003, Shirley Jane Turner kills Zachary. Djing. (Talking in group) This is not about money. MORRISON: It was almost two years after Andrew Bagby's murder, when Shirley Turner's eldest son T.J. drove home to his girlfriend after an. The only thing about his life that didn't make sense to some friends and family was his relationship with that doctor from Newfoundland, the one he'd started dating when going to medical school there. Serious crime is rare in this country. MORRISON: Coming up, Andrew dead. Lori Kaufman rw. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy and Cookie Statement and Your California Privacy Rights. David remembers uttering, "It's really him," and recalls how the two cried over the body, tears falling on to Andrew's face. The bill is called C-464 - An Act to amend the Criminal Code (justification for detention in custody). It then played SXSW in Austin, Texas, where it left audiences stunned and in tears. And I don't know, I just lay on top of her and we, MORRISON: T.J. opened the door to police, too, and heard the. 2015 - 20153 . And we, would have agreed to anything. I would have to dream up some reason to go over, there in the middle of the night, to--for me to just appear on her doorstep, Mr. BAGBY: Turned out I wasn't. The victims choices, preferences, actions, and relationships are either boiled down to a heap of clues and red herrings, or offered as a backdrop in a spirit of dutiful empathy before getting down to the business at hand. any problem at all with them spending time with him, unlike my mother, Mr. SHEARS: I guess I just thought, well, they're kind of accusing her of, murder. A few weeks after, Zachary's birthday party, the Bagbys and Shirley took the toddler swimming, an, activity he usually enjoyed. If a suitable candidate is not identified, the award will not be given for that year. . Kate said Shirley insisted on keeping Zachary in, the deep pool, which frustrated him because he couldn't move on his own. This is what that fucking bitch didnt know, David Bagby fumes towards the end of Dear Zachary. The album includes "Andrew", the 8 minute concert work Kurt wrote and recorded in Andrew's memory in 2002. David R. Bagby Born: July 2, 1957 in Joliet, IL Died: January 5, 2022 in Statesville, NC David R. Bagby, 64 of Statesville, NC and formerly of Streator passed away Wednesday (January 5,. Plus: each Wednesday, exclusively for subscribers, the best books of the week. Bring lots of kleenex and prepare to be equally angry and emotionally drained as you watch real, so-called justice in action. Not too long ago? dropping Shirley and their grandboy off at her son T.J.'s home (Photo of Zachary sleeping in car seat; streets passing), KATE: She said, `Wake up, Zachary and say goodbye to your grandparents.'. As one friend said, Hes like the blessing Andrew left behind. It was for Zachary that Andrews parents retired, cashed in all their savings and moved from their lifelong home in Pennsylvania to Newfoundland, where Shirley Jane Turner lived. Around 11:30 PM Shirley came downstairs, asking to borrow T.J.'s car. then one day I realized what it was. Kate and David Bagby traveled to Ottawa last week to speak as witnesses for the bill before the House's Standing Committee on Justice & Human Rights. We were done," Kate Bagby said, finishing her husband's thought, a quirk of their relationship that became apparent during a several-hour recount of how their lives spiraled out of control after that phone call from police. Sometimes, if you are paying attentionclose attentionyou can see it coming, even if only barely. MORRISON: And ultimately she sent him away, with no forewarning. And I know, you love me, and--yeah. The Bagbys, who recently marked their 50th wedding anniversary, say it sustained them for nearly a decade as they struggled to come to terms first with the 2001 slaying of their 28-year-old son, Dr. Andrew Bagby, and later with the murder of Andrew's son, 13 . Dear Zachary will have its World Premiere at the Slamdance Film Festival, January 17-25, 2008 in Park City, Utah! With that powerful, evidence, Shirley Turner was formally charged with Andrew's murder and, arrested by Newfoundland police. His father says, I kissed him and held him. MORRISON: But Shirley would make it tough for Andrew to do that. Turner shot Bagby two days after he broke up with her at a Pennsylvania airport as she was set to fly back to Iowa. Awaiting extradition, Turner drowned 13-month-old Zachary and took her own life as well. On Monday, March 22, 2010, the House of Commons in Ottawa unanimously passed Bill C-464 - An Act to Amend the Criminal Code (justification for detention in custody). And now it's just. We urge you to write your MP (if you're Canadian) or the Attorney General of Canada (if you're not) in support of MP Andrews' bill; the next few months are a crucial time. Kuenne began making Dear Zachary before Turner revealed her pregnancy. Mr. SHEARS: It seemed like it to me, yeah. That gave her a chance to do something useful for some people who needed it, said David. We had to pack up Zachary, Mr. BAGBY: We just climbed right back upstairs and went to bed and melted. Its hard to imagine a well-crafted rendition being as powerful.). Is it OK? June 2, 2015 - June 2020. Except this story is worse. And then, November 2001, Andrew Bagby was shot dead in a state park not far from the hospital in which the young doctor was a resident, and his devoted parents all but lost the will to live. Screening next at DocuWeek, the International Documentary Association's Theatrical Documentary Showcase. Mommy loves you. I got to go to the trial. of a woman and a baby on the beach, and I lost it again. We were kind of like, `Well, we're not the best ones to be taking care of a child.' TO ME ITS REAL LIFE. Dear Zachary avoids the first pitfall by directly confronting the second. Because this is foreshadowing. will not hurt Zachary, period. Mr. BAGBY: We fret and worried and everything. Zachary, I love you, baby. And thank God. And that was midafternoon. Right, right. You will laugh, you will smile, you will cry, and you might even want to stand up and shout at the screen. Unidentified Man #25: I love them very much. He said, `What can happen?'. Welcome back toCold Comforts, a recurring column in which Soraya Roberts writes about the grim, harrowing, and downright bizarre movies and television shows that she nevertheless cant stop watching, over and over again. MORRISON: Ah, but there was a lot to say about Andrew. Unidentified Man #21: (Talking in group) I know. And tears are dropping on him, of course, and Kate went to wipe one of those away off his cheek, and a plug came out, where hed been shot in the left cheek. I had a job I loved. MORRISON: Two weeks after Andrew's murder, cell phone records, would show that Shirley Turner drove all the way from Iowa to Andrew's, neighborhood in Pennsylvania, arrived there the day of the murder, and then, she, or at least her cell phone, returned to Iowa. Mr. KUENNE: (Kate holding Zachary) Hello, bud. That's what Kurt does, he's an independent filmmaker. The Bagbys prove it is possible for a woman to kill your child and for you to forge a civil relationship with that woman in order to protect another. "In a tragic ending, we bring new beginnings with bail reform so that no other family will have to go through the devastation that Kate and David have gone through," Andrews said. She pushed it back in and cried some more. Far from experiencing the satisfaction of cracking a mystery, the viewer is likely to come away with a feeling of stymied sickness, of hitting the brick wall of a world gone wronga feeling which must be closer to the lived reality of violent tragedy. We made this place together, we own it together, we run it together. Andrew was found dead Nov. 5, 2001 in a state park just outside Latrobe, PA, where he was a resident in the local hospitals family medicine programme. Shirley Turner had walked out to the end, of a pier with tiny Zachary strapped to her body with a sweater, then jumped, into the ocean. MORRISON: But Andrew did agree to meet Shirley in a nearby park. The Bagbys could scarcely believe. MORRISON: Because Zachary liked you best? On December 15, 2010, Governor General David Johnston gave Royal Assent to Bill C-464: An Act To Amend the Criminal Code (justification for detention in custody), making it law in Canada. The psychotic bitch.) The bullets in Bagbys body were of the same type that Turner had used at a shooting range shortly before, in a gun she had recently purchased. Only Kate and David, MORRISON: Perhaps the most irksome part of the deal with Shirley. Senator Tommy Banks of Alberta will be the bill's sponsor in the Senate, and will shortly be distributing DVDs of "Dear Zachary" to all members of the Senate, just as he and MP Andrews distributed the film to all members of the House of Commons last fall when he introduced the bill. (Newspaper rack; photo of Shirley and Zachary), Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) I am going to continue to scream long and loud, MORRISON: The Bagbys have continued a campaign for the overhaul, of the bail system. The Bagbys have done their best to resume life in California. Cpl. (Canadian flags; Newfoundland; lake and coast; man in coat; photos of Shirley, and Zachary; Kate, David and Zachary; Shirley, Kate and Zachary; Supreme Court, building; photos of David, Kate, Zachary and Shirley), Mr. BAGBY: Dealing with Turner was like, I don't know, walking around with. especially long work day and dropped himself in front of the television. Mr. BAGBY: I have a lot of trouble with those things too, and I suspect what really goes on, what's called intuition, is really a very, very complex calculation of lots of little indicators, little things that Andrew said on the phone maybe. MORRISON: When T.J. heard about Andrew's murder Mr. SHEARS: I just figure, `OK, well, he was in America. They hadn't been identified, but it's obvious who they, MORRISON: He was right. MORRISON: It was August 2003, the wee hours of the morning by the ocean. -, "To give you an idea how powerful it is, I'll just say that there was a lot of audible sobbing during the credits.and the first question in the Q&A started like this: "First of all, holy crap. -, "When this haunting, shattering film made its premiere at Park City's Slamdance Film Festival, it received the most sustained ovation of any film I saw this year in Park City. doesn't take much to pull a trigger, does it? "This is the purest, most intensely raw film I have ever seen of any kind, dramatic or nonfiction. did. MORRISON: Must have seemed like the enemy was in the camp. His goal at first was simply to collect memories and tributes from people who were close to Bagby. Then, upon. Every last person who steps foot into a theater to see this will walk away changed. Dear Zachary has been announced as the first film to launch the newly formed MSNBC Films division of MSNBC. Ad Choices. MORRISON: And then, in the spring of 1995, Andrew found someone, a Newfoundlander, also a doctor in training, a woman named Shirley Turner. The night was. SCREAMS. The other, their grandson, Zachary Turner. Now armed with a powerful tool, "Dear Zachary: A Letter, to a Son about his Father," the tribute film Kurt Kuenne started making, first. MORRISON: The Bagbys said that Shirley would later apologize for, her reaction. I--we both did. (Newfoundland; Shears driving; photo of Shirley and Zachary; water at night; Mr. SHEARS: She said Zachary was being fussy and that just driving him, around would calm him down. David Bagby David Russell Bagby, 64, of Statesville, passed away Wednesday, Jan. 5, 2022. David Bagby, left, and Kate Bagby, right, celebrate with their son Andrew Bagby at his graduation from medical school at Memorial University of Newfoundland in June 2000. I'm just looking for somebody to hang out with and have fun here in school.' Mr. and Mrs. David Bagby will be notified of the award, and may request background information on the recipient to facilitate any contact between the recipient and the Bagbys. By signing up, you agree to our User Agreement and Privacy Policy & Cookie Statement. Purchase the album on: Amazon (Physical CD) iTunes Amazon MP3, DAVID BAGBY'S "DANCE WITH THE DEVIL" RETURNS TO PAPERBACK AND E-BOOK, After four years of being out of print, David Bagby's book "Dance with the Devil" (Andrew Bagby's father's powerful memoir of the events depicted in "Dear Zachary") is finally available in paperback and e-book. Family and friends go to extraordinary lengths to honor a legacy of a young man whose trust led to tragedy. Read the DocuWeek Q&A with writer/director/composer Kurt Kuenne HERE. kind of panic sets in, I guess. In the early years, that included David writing a book, Dance With the Devil, about his sons and grandsons murders, and Kuennes documentary. He was the whole world to them. anything like that, would we take care of Zachary? Amending Canada's bail code was my goal in releasing "Dear Zachary" publicly; it is my pleasure to announce that goal is now a reality. But on Sunday, when he drove her to the airport, Andrew made it clear to Shirley it was over for good. to let out hints that Shirley Turner was the prime suspect. Parents Kate and David Bagby's story of identifying Andrew's body is devastating. I said, `This woman was in town. The Hornet was just back from patrolling . Woman #9: to make that journey was awful. They quit their jobs and moved from California to Newfoundland. Specific in nature? Through a complicated series of delayed hearings and granted bails, Turner remained free for many months while the decision regarding her extradition was in process. -. They could check cell towers then, but only manually. Couldn't be her. Unidentified Man #24: Two I have ever known. January 15, 2008: In January, the film was nominated for Best Documentary by both the Chicago Film Critics Association and the Online Film Critics Society, who also nominated writer/director/composer Kurt Kuenne for Breakthrough Filmmaker of 2008. She would never go away. ', MORRISON: But they'd have to wait almost a month. "Kurt Kuenne has crafted a documentary that began as a legacy of a friend in the form of a letter to that friend's child, and that is powerful enough to endure as legend. Shortly after his death, she fled to Canada and settled back in St. Johns. Why? Former Assistant Pastor at Jackson Community Church. This film was no longer a letter to you, Unidentified Man #23: Well, everybody always says, well, what. We're thrilled with MP Andrews' initiative and efforts, and support him 100% as he moves this bill forward. On Aug. 18, 2003, while awaiting extradition to the U.S. on a charge of murdering Andrew, Turner jumped into the waters of Conception Bay South with her 13-month-old son strapped to her in a murder-suicide. MORRISON: But would that somebody turn out to be a blessing or a curse? For an optimal experience visit our site on another browser. MORRISON: Do you find yourself going back and playing that back in your mind? Bagby, that man about whom no one had a bad word, was left lying face down in a Pennsylvania state park with five bullets in him. MORRISON: But then she claimed she couldn't find it. David Bagby's book, Dance With the Devil, is a good read. Unidentified Woman #11: I love them very much. They did their best to keep their dark feelings about their son's accused. Just like Andrew, you know, happy. decision. DVD: Amazon | B&N See rank. David Bagby. Here the grandparents are making nice with the woman they believe killed their, son. -Drafted and finalized press releases, articles, annual reports, websites, earnings releases and investor . Dear Zachary was also a hit at Silverdocs, the AFI/Discovery Channel Documentary Film Festival over the weekend of June 21st & 22nd, where both screenings were once again met with standing ovations; Silverdocs nominated Dear Zachary for its inaugural Writers Guild of America Documentary Screenplay Award. Zachary, how's our baby today? And that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. It will make you question your faith in the world. They should have been given custody of Zachary to begin with. In New York - August 8-14 at the IFC Center, 323 Sixth Avenue at W. 3rd Street. Dear Zachary recently won the Audience Award at the Sidewalk Moving Picture Festival in Birmingham, Alabama! And Im blessed to have David and quite frankly David is blessed to have me, said Kate. HEATHER: You are the most amazing, strongest people I've ever. Mr. KUENNE: He warmed up to me as the--as the week wore on, MORRISON: But the Bagbys were especially anxious. Cpl. Instead, the films dramatic nodes are scenes such as the one in which Bagbys parents, David and Kate, recall going to identify their sons body. They recorded them. We just want as many people as possible to know this story, the documentary, for the practical reasons in my fantasies, I suppose some judge, some place, actually gets it and denies bail to somebody who could kill again. David Bagby. ', Because I know you would be worried if we disappeared for a couple of days or, MORRISON: Was she planning something? Blu-ray: Shirley Turner had some startling news. They also have Andrews friends, like Kuenne, who remain in their current lives and with whom they can talk about Andrew. This film will be one of the best you're likely to see this year." You dont get over it. I said, `Andrew,' I said, `be serious. I kind of. If you were to dream up the perfect set of parents, it would be Kate and David Bagby. Unidentified Man #20: The weather here is terrible. Also, by popular demand, a new printing of David Bagby's book "Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss" featuring Dear Zachary's poster art on its cover is now in stores. In that time, it also becomes clear that Andrews fate is in danger of also becoming his sons. MORRISON: Andrew Bagby. Click HERE for assistance. So we called, and he came over and told us that Zachary and Shirley were. It, (Photo of Shirley; Shirley, Zachary and David; photos of Shirley and Zachary). Mr. BAGBY: Oh, yeah. But a few weeks later, she showed up in Pennsylvania, unexpected, for the wedding of one of his friends. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Would you be willing to turn the gun into your local police department so they could get it to us to let us look at it? Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I know you don't want to, you don't intend to. I kind of need to move on from that because, like I. said, I'm a Bagby male. Yeah, I mean, I can watch that for sure. It turns out Shirley owned a .22 caliber handgun, which she acquired while living in Iowa. And he was crying, so I went into the ladies room and sat there, KATE: Made her very angry. In this way, Dear Zachary inverts the usual way of telling murder stories. We. And when, after his first year at med school, Heather broke off the engagement, Andrew was crushed. You can't tell them this over the phone. MORRISON: Shirley Turner, also a doctor in training, was 12 years older than Andrew, twice divorced, a mother of three. I never really convinced myself that she, could--that she would hurt Zachary. CONTRIBUTED BY DAVID AND KATE BAGBY Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. David remembers uttering, "It's really him," and recalls how the two cried over the body, tears falling on to Andrew's face. They still have friends in the province, people Kate said they wouldnt have survived without. RELATED:California filmmaker remasters documentary on the lives and murders of Andrew Bagby and Zachary Turner. It will have its television premiere on MSNBC this fall following a theatrical release that is currently in negotiations and expected to be announced in the coming weeks. (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; birthday party), KATE: He didn't want to open presents, you know, he wanted to get, down. Its heartbreaking, said Kate, who recalls last seeing Zachary the evening before he was killed. He was such a good baby. When Kate reached down to wipe one away, she accidentally knocked out the plug used to mask his facial wound. KATE: (To Zachary) Kurt knew your daddy when he was a little boy. Check your local listings for channel info. In the, tribute documentary their son's best friend Kurt Kuenne was making to someday, give Zachary, the Bagbys' friends recount how difficult it was for David and. Well, I was hurt in an, accident. They raised a wonderful, Unidentified Man #26: Thanks for bringing such a wonderful person. This couple have endured more grief and pain that most people will endure in a lifetime. Bagbys wondered if there might ever be an extradition hearing. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Is this Dr. Turner? Kurt Kuennes 2008 documentary, Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father, deserves a second look, especially in light of the recent popularity of true-crime programs like Serial and Making a Murderer., Photograph courtesy Oscilloscope Pictures / Everett. unforgivable and that's just the way it's going to be for the rest of my life. ', KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah. Cpl. But that is what the Bagbys. And we came back. MORRISON: And, says T.J., in the way of her opportunities to be. An autopsy report would show that an anti-anxiety drug, prescribed by the very psychiatrist who put up Shirley's bail money had been, mixed into Zachary's formula. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible). It's pretty easy to analyze what the, options are. Blu-ray | DVD, 10th Anniversary Edition: A Kate Bagby is an Advisory Member at Mothers Against Murder based in Los Altos, California. Simpson advised his friend to call the cops and to not under any circumstances meet Shirley Jane Turner alone. You take it with you, but you move on, said David. David and Kate Bagby moved to St. John's. They forged a relationship with the woman they believed killed their son so they could see Zachary, their only grandchild. He said, `Well, it's 4:30 now. Kuennes fast-talking exposition, while confusing, seems purposeful, as though the murder were a necessary backstory to be pushed through as quickly as possible in order to get to the heart of the narrative: Andrew Bagbys life and how horrible his death was for those who loved him. ', Mr. SIMPSON: And I told him, I said, `You know, Andrew, when I break up with somebody and put them on a plane and send them 1300 miles away,' I said, `They knock on my front door, I'm going out the back door and I'm calling the police.' The material on this site may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, cached or otherwise used, except with the prior written permission of Cond Nast. Help contribute to IMDb. Cpl. You dont leave it behind. It also took 3rd place in the National Headliner Awards for Best Documentary of 2008, given by the Press Club of Atlantic City. It has been our privilege to have the trust and support of our East Coast communities for the last 200 years. A judge called Andrews murder a vicious crime, but did not consider Turner a risk to others. Nobody drives 16 hours after you've just broken up with them.' So I gave her the. MORRISON: But was that what you assumed had happened? Gruesome details, abstruse discoveries, and personal secrets are examined with a seemingly cold and impartial eye in the light of the promise that, if seen rightly, they can yield up a picture of the truth. Kurt is incredibly grateful for the good folks at MSNBC for making this arrangement happen.