Lao G | Vinsmoke Ichiji | Mounblutain | If there was a second place, obviously that would goto the one that didn't concede HighMantra followed by Rman. Tension! Mr. 9 | Fujitora. Caesar Clown | Kalifa | ♂️. Vergo | Anti-Villainous Enforcer, Marine Vice Admiral (former)Associate of the Blackbeard Pirates. Scarlet, Kid Pirates It really did not add up. Doflamingo, al ver el enorme poder de Kuzan, decide rendirse y no seguir luchando más para sacar la información del paradero de Law y de Luffy. Miss Father's Day | (Others: Sheepshead | The Light beam's was coming sure and macro did have haki to alert him but it doesn't change the fact that even if he used haki he still need's the speed to react to it for example if you see a ball coming to your face you see it coming but you don't have the speed to swing the bat fast enough to hit it some baseball player's see the ball but just cant have their bodyto react to it haki is connected to the mind its not just a sense haki still comes from your body like in your brain like a normal person, someone tries to react to something and of course they see it coming but their body cant react to it they cant move their bones and limb's fast enough, Marco did have haki but what's the point of being able to react to something when you yourself cant react to it its like a human a regular human having haki and trying to react to a bullet but his body and limb's is not designed to react to it, macro moved all the way o the light beam before it hit and he was in winged position when he was flying meaning he had to move his limb's fast enough to go in a blocking position. After Kuzan lost, he resigned as admiral and went his own way while Akainu became the new Fleet Admiral. Dont see how toshiro wins though, I don't believe equal energies have to do much with anything but hey, wadda I know. Arlong "the Saw" | Diamante | Unlike you, I have a Viable Rel-FTL feat. Equal to Aokiji? Combatants: Needless | Sweet 3 Generals: "Thousand Arms" Charlotte Cracker | The fourteenth season of the One Piece anime series was produced by Toei Animation, and directed by Hiroaki Miyamoto.The season began broadcasting in Japan on Fuji Television on July 18, 2010 and ended on September 25, 2011. Pica | all he could do was just react to Kizaru, nothing more lmao. @highmantra_x0sp: yes, just open it since CaV is over, @leonhardt@defiant_will@mike_strike10@mattyboi@floridaman29(I forgot to tag you). Wadatsumi, New World Pirate Crews A somewhat fodder Character, Liltoto Lamperd dodged Auschwalen, something that went from the Royal Guard to Sereitei in seconds if not a few minutes. Capture the Straw Hat Pirates (formerly) Mr. 11 | Batman | Also, how are you going to complain to your opponents for baiting you into a mismatch when the rules have always stated energies equalized. This trend continued in his later posts, where you were persistent in arguing Toshiro at city block level. Also seeing as you havent given me any reasonable scaling or feats for Aokiji himself, i would like some please because I dont see how he scales to Marco unless he has blitz or kept up with him in speed. Aokiji has travel speed so yeah it wont be doing anything here, Its massive but its not that massive cant someone just jump in the air or make a mountain sized iceberg to climb on to get away from it because the AoE is great in width not in length cant someone just jump in the air and using this move on DMS kakashi might not do anything but who cares since he's gonna be dead before he uses his adult form on him, Adult form is strong and all but if someone really wants too they could just jump in the air. Miss Merry Christmas | During this time-skip, the Straw Hat Pirates trained their skills to be better equipped for the New World and the strong enemies that they would encounter along the way.. RELATED: 5 Thought-Out Fan Theories Of What One Piece Actually Is (& 5 That Seem Ridiculous) I did give reasonable feat's, Aokiji is faster than people who had light speed feat's, He fought akainu for 10 days got minor hits on him and fatal ones, people like akainu dodge's and counter's attacks from whitebeard even landing hits on him, whitebeard should be faster than marco, Aokiji also should be in the same league as milhawk who fought a 1st commander who should be equal with marco. Referee | Baccarat, Powers of the Hie Hie Fruit (Ice Ice Fruit). I'll open Voting once Rmao and Epic give me the call. Jabra | Kurozumi Orochi | The fact that Kakashi could also use his Mangekyou Sharingan abilities while in Perfect Susano'o debunks your point of "being able to use techniques with Perfect Susano'o is headcanon" fallacy. World Government Kuzan was shocked at Luffy's ability to use Haoshoku Haki, he was seen sweating as he realized he underestimated the latter's potential. And how does Aokiji use his ice to block something that's dimensionally intangible? Perona | Moving fast enough to blitz Naruto with light speed reactions is movement speed as well. Officers: Sugar | Bartholomew Kuma | Green Bull- we have nothing to base green bull of, so I’ll just assume he is the same as fujitora since they joined the navy at the same time. Richie | Lilly Carnation | Monda | Gina, Thriller Bark Pirates (Mysterious Four) Frontier Agents: Mr. 7 | As in, flying in from nowhere to block them from hitting Whitebeard. How is sasuke's sussano the same as kakashi's you cant just assume that any user of susano can do this even though on screen sasuke only used it so this is just pure head canon unless you give me some proof other than someone who had the six path of sage's chakra and power and the one who had the moon mark and not even madara ever used a fireball jutsu in his own susanno so assuming that kakashi can do this is headcanon. Forgot to add in: Also, another thing to add is Kakashi using genjutsu. my vote goes to @highmantra_x0sp for the reasons @darthsuper pointed out. I don't believe that you've shown Aokijis travel speed yet. Not only do you take the bold (and wrong) stance that Aokiji is somehow "equal" with a Yonko, but you have the audacity to suggest they are equals in strength? Now on with the counter's haki would allow him to sense kakashi's attack's ou have people who don't have haki or use to not have haki dodgeing photon beam's which are made of light which should be light speed, Also haki can allow the user to touch people who are intangible like for example touching kizaru someone who is made of pure light. Replies 42 Views 394. The battle was so great that it completely changed the climate of the island it took place, creating a frozen tundra side and a burning volcanic side. You can be fast enough to react to X object but too slow to move away from X object. It's also pretty Obvious that Toshiro would be able to beat FKT arc Bankai Ichigo while Toshiro's in Bankai. Aokiji left the Marines after he lost the fight vs Akainu. How does Aokiji scale to Marco? This match was a complete mismatch and I have no counter's to kakashi or toshiro since energies are equal. You also proved that Kakashi could blitz Aokiji, thus shooting down the time limit argument as well (not that that held up in the first place). You can see that the light beam is literally designed to be like light, So your little debunk of my feat is not true at all. And once again, your Toshiro arguments were very solid. Because don't want to have trouble, Flamingo left Smoker to Aokiji. Since he has zero feats of such, it hits Toshiro and rips him to bits. Drip | Obviously I'm not voting for you. I would genuinely like to know what fanfiction you got this from because Aokiji has never once done this in the canon manga. One day, the Straw Hat pirates stopped on an island where Kuzan happened to be sleeping. Kaku | Kamui's intangibility+superior speed+being able to fly via Perfect Susano'o counters it quite easily. It's not even a viable feat because you just have to outrun said object that isn't Lightspeed. Rabbitman Holdem | Nero That is only 15minutes at the least and he said a 3X amp. It's not lightspeed and nothing makes it lightspeed as well. He even froze his good friend, Jaguar D. Saul. DMS Kakashi was greater than Sasuke in terms of Perfect Susano'o usage like being able to blitz something Sasuke couldnt with it. He negates durability by freezing his opponents rendering them entirerly useless as hes explained, and then he could simply Cut Susanoo in half as he did Geralds sword which is, the size shown in this Scan(Multi-Large Building-City Block) Susanoo is a useless ability. Pickles | He then battled the Straw Hats and froze Robin, and was about to smash her when their Captain, Monkey D. Luffy, grabbed her and gave her to his crew, who then proceeded to revive her using hot water. Ten Titanic Captains: Jesus Burgess | Demaro Black | Shiliew | Caribou | In his days as a Vice-admiral he had eaten a powerful Logia Devil Fruit that gave him mastery of Ice, he also befriended a giant vice-admiral named Jaguar D. Saul. Edward Weevil | This is why you shouldn't rush into CaVs. However, you lost me with Aokiji running away from Kakashi so he runs out of stamina. piece. Fraction Chakra should and I believe does reduce your stats in general. So I'm assuming Toshiro is just casual supersonic at best from what you showed me. "Blackbeard" Marshall D. Teach, East Blue Pirate Crews Baby 5 | Minozebra | Hamburg | Hell, I've never seen this in any One Piece movies or filler. I've already refuted this above. Considering the small city lvl width and the mountain lvl depth, tenpechii should be resting at small island lvl of DC. Babanuki | Kasagoba | Ginrummy | Trust me, it wont even take Kakashi 5 minutes to blitz and one shot Toshiro with kamui. Gladius | "Corrupt King" Avalo Pizarro | Vergo Vander Decken IX | Doflamingo còn là một cựu Thiên Long Nhân, con cháu của gia tộc hoàng gia từng trị vì ở Dressrosa. The Shield should be comparable to that of a City-Block with my scans. Miss Monday | In terms of speed feats for the "fodders", Shawlong Kufang was able to Blitz Toshiro who could dodge Gins Shikai, Shinso at point Blank. Hobby ALL you need to do was make a case for Aokiji's freezing potency, and you did that towards the very beginning and end of your power section. It's not quantifiable and it's hard to understand. There is honestly no point in trying to refute this quote because as established earlier, Kakashi is easily fast enough to blitz and one shot Toshiro. @yuuto-jika557: Could you refrain from giving people tips in our CaV and it will count as bias if you vote if you do so again. Su One Piece Power potrai trovare qualsiasi cosa riguardande il mondo di One Piece: Episodi, Capitoli, Immagini, Video, Censure, Videogiochi, Guide e tanto altro! Wont be happening. Now its your turn @epichotflame after your's it's mine then highmantra gets the last post. Officer Agents: Mr. 0 | Giolla | Also having energies equalized mean's like for example haki being equalized with your energy and chakra being equalized with haki this means I can just be hit and killed by any of your attack's and you cant really hit kakashi if that's the case but who know's. Aokiji vs. Doflamingo: 626. @the_amongus: now, I dont wanna be rude but this is the third cav ( at least the third which I read and where you partecipated , dont know tho if you did more cavs than that) where I've found hard following your posts mainly due to your formatting; I noticed some improvement but you could do a lot better (formatting-wise), then again some parts where hard to read especially your last counter where you underlined everything you said ( it took me at least three times as much to read your counter than those of the others. Ummm... wow. Even Naruto and Sasuke who were both relativistic+ werent fast enough to save Sakura from a blitz stomp from Kaguya but DMS Kakashi casually intercepted: I don't understand how that Claw is lightspeed. I thought I would win but then I saw energies are equalized we cant hit kakashi but people can hit us that's not fair at all. When Captain Whitebeard used his Quake-Quake powers, he, along with Admirals Kizaru and Akainu, blocked his attack. 感知不能なる幻像を以て敵の虚を突き破滅へ と誘う Invite the enemy's emptiness to destruction with an undetectable phantom ! Sometime along the line he was promoted to the position of Admiral. On a side note good job with the formatting. Going into your second post, you continue to test my impartiality by not only pushing your LS scaling, but arguing PTS Zoro as FTL. Which is as baseless as it gets and you provided literally zero evidence to substantiate that. Caesar Clown, Emperors' Crews The entire premise of your scaling was that Aokiji>Doflamingo, but you neglect that Aokiji's Devil Fruit plays a big role in that. 8-52: 22 Dec 13: Caesar has Disappeared! Bill | Saint Rosward | 630. Murder Stussy | You understand that Byakuya back in the Shinigami arc, the stone age of bleach Broke Ichigos Soul Chain and Soul Sleep which is practically what binds something to its living Body. Marine Admiral (resigned)Marine Vice Admiral (former)Associate of the Blackbeard Pirates It's yours. He can also fire ice spears which gives more insight on what he can do when he creates something with his ice when he did this he tried to put saul down by hitting him with this attack which worked a little if he wanted too he could make much bigger ones if he wished. Master of the Waters, Germa 66 Toshiro would flash freeze and call it game once he goes Bankai. Full Name Not only is running away not a viable tactic in a fight, but the rules of this CaV explicitly describe this as a random encounter. Hyouzou | It was your fault for not reading the rules properly or thoroughly, and getting blindsided come closers. It's just a beam of light. God: Enel Also, energy is equalised by the way. What are their own speed feats to be able to even start the scaling? Aokiji (Blue Pheasant) 70 Doflamingo tenta di colpire Smoker ma viene congelato da Kuzan. During a fight too. As an aside, this was the absolutely worst thing you could've done when you recently called out Eazy for being a troll and an idiot for using that same argument. Toshiro doesn't work on a durability plane. "The Supersonic" Van Augur | As you can see he can mauliplate his ice and create things out of it if he really wants to he could just make a WAY bigger sword but remember he was just warming up against the crew when they fought. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Basil Hawkins | (603) Auschwalen is also not of Reishi but literal light. Kaku, Marines Seriously, can you cite me a single fight where Aokiji has actually traded genuine blows with someone? Hence why I was very unconvinced by your rebuttals in the speed department, especially with your analogy to reacting to a ball vs moving as fast as a ball. As I've said, your rebuttals against Aokiji's speed were... sub par if I am being honest. Kuroobi | This was made abundantly clear to me when reading your opener. @the_amongus@highmantra_x0sp@epichotflame. Dosun | Even if they are actual clones, Madara's speed isn't of relevance if it isn't shown. Powers/Skills @the_amongus Remember that you can still win a CaV in a mismatch. Given you argued Toshiro as a low mid tier in your opener, there was not an iota of my being that remotely considered the possibility that Toshiro doesn't get fodderized by either Aokiji or Kakashi. That should somewhat be the distance between the Soul King Palace and Sereitei, while it may not be the actual distance, it's just a general idea of what the overall distance should somewhat be. From Doffy being scared of Aokiji, you concluded that Aokiji somehow had the physical strength to break Doflamingo's Birdcage, which you then scaled above Zoro. I think you were bested in every relevant argument as far as Kakashi was concerned. That's not Epichotflame's fault. Evil-doer He can also freeze anyone who touches him meaning if you touch him with something he would freeze it so touching him physically in this match will be a mistake and remember in these pictures he was using no power doing this with barley any effort if he was trying it would likely be MUCH higher. Priests: Ohm | Why would you compare Madara with no Six Paths power to Kakashi with Six Paths power?? Tatsu | While they themself don't have many speed feats, Toshiro scales above Bankai Ichigo. Vinsmoke Judge | The main point of kamui is that it can affect space to send or return anything to or from the kamui dimension, it can be used long range (left eye), close range (right eye) or applied with any form of attack, making said attack to bypass durability. Hogback | Alias Aokiji as a logia can also not be hurt as if he shatters or if anything happen's he would just come back together as he did when whitebeard uses quake on him something that is much stronger than aokiji's own attacks which are multi mountain level. Charlotte Flampe Dobon) Aokiji ate the Logia Ice-Ice Fruit which allows him to control, create and transform into ice at will. Blueno | Captain: Kuro "of a Hundred Plans" Kakashi wouldn't be able to withstand an amped slash that neutralizes all it touches. Minokoala | I will note that I agree with how Haki would affect Marco's speed there, but I disagree massively with you completely disregarding Marco's movement speed as a factor. I have nothing to say energies are equalized I get one shotted thats all. Charlotte Broyé | He was a minor antagonist in the Long Ring Long Land Arc but is one of the major antagonists in the Marineford Arc. After the crew arrives at an island with hostile, powerful, little nymphs, Zoro really doesn't expect one of them to kick his ass and steal his sword. Kid. 50 Divine Soldiers: Yama | Replies 101 Views 1,220. They have to be fast enough to move out of the way not more so react to it. episódio 579Desembarque!Punk Hazard, A Ilha FlamejanteJōriku! Only downfall is that it has a time limit, Obito and his chakra reserves can only use it for 5 minutes: DMS Kakashi obtained Six Paths power which is massively above that 3x amp, so the limit would be massively above 5 minutes, maybe 30 minutes, even 5 minutes would be enough to beat both ice users tbh but whatever. Assista a todas as temporadas de One Piece e siga Monkey D. Luffy em sua missão para obter o One Piece, o maior tesouro do mundo, e tornar-se o Rei Pirata! Reason why I feel he didnt use it in the Kaguya fight was probably because he was focusing more on the kamui ability than the genjutsu as he saw it being more useful in the fight. Hatchan | Formatting wise, argumentatively, this debate lacked any semblance of cohesion all across the board. If Rman were a bit more knowledgeable, he could have countered the heat aspect a bit more convincingly, like trying to quantify Ace's Drum Island feat as opposed to just repeating himself. Its like me saying any Kage scales to Minato's and Naruto's speed lol. Even though Aokiji was an admiral in the navy, which was presented as one of the main antagonistic organizations of the series, he would use his powers and influence to help people rather than be the World Government's force of dominion disguised as justice, and was a strong believer in a Navy concept called, "merciful justice" (which some WG higher-ups called "lazy justice"), and even though he was going to kill one of the main antagonists, the reasons behind it were that he had the means to revive the legendary weapons of ages past which could destroy the world, and he thought that they were too dangerous even for the people who gave him his orders to possess. Even though we exclude genjutsu, DMS Kakashi still comes out victoriously with a no difficult stomp. Spandam | Not only does it lack mentions for it being lightspeed, but Sakura seemingly could react to the entire Object. DMS Kakashi was able to save Sakura before she gets blitz stomped by Kaguya who herself is light speed (i'll get into further details about her speed feat later on this section). @the_amongus@epichotflame Since this is my final post, I'll partially take my sweet time. The biggest surprise was that he joined the Blackbeard Pirates. Headliners: (Tobiroppo: Page One | He left the Marines due to Akainu becoming the new Fleet Admiral to whom he detested due to the mans cruelty and fascism. Assasins: Rob Lucci | Vinsmoke Yonji, Kurozumi Family Kuzan Today at 11:55 AM. Marco is not just reacting to Kizaru's blasts, he is interceptingthem. Monet Ice Spear: Aokiji can crosses his hand and created 4 ice spears to attack the enemy. After Doflamingo defeated the now-Vice Admiral Smoker and was about to kill him, Kuzan stepped in and stopped him from dealing the final blow. I already Posted how Charlotte, a complete Fodder who was a damn fraccion 17months ago, Blitzed Bambietta to the point where she literally died despite being dead, and Toshiro as shown earlier, Blitzed Charlotte who undeniably scales above Lillito and Bambietta in terms of speed. How Aokiji would know that Kakashi uses Chakra, and know that he has a stamina issue and exploit that mid-fight is truly beyond me. (316). It still has 2 more stages to go, Humanoid Susano'o